Andrew and Joel trade summer reading, seven books that shaped how they build. Range and kind vs wicked worlds, The Lean Startup on testing a hypothesis instead of debating it, Culture Making on why creating beats critiquing, and the evolutionary neuroscience the frontier labs are mining for the next breakthrough.
Andrew and Joel sit down with Scott Hurst, a self-described 'average' Toronto pastor, to hear how the AI conversation actually sounds between pastors. Less 'should AI write your sermon' (nobody is) and more rental agreements, meeting minutes, the capacity for mystery, and the pain points a shepherd should never automate away.